Wednesday, September 5, 2007

Joe K Post 2

Joe Kelly

"To keep a fledgling state safe, Plato reasoned, this ower of the arts should be marshaled and used for the good of the state—to empower the state and lead it on a prosperous path, toward unity and glorification rather than toward disharmony and conflict."

The above quote from the prompt is included in this post because I find it useful in highlighting a key difference between Plato's Republic and ours. As Dr. Levis mentioned in class this morning, they are two quite disparate conceptions of government, and with this in mind, I'd like to go in a different direction.

Plato outlines in The Republic a society ruled absolutely by philsopher-kings, men who possess the ideal attributes required to rule independently of the factions and mobs of democratic politics. In such a society, "disharmony and conflict" would serve only to interfere with the plans of these wise sovereigns, plans that would otherwise "lead [the state] on a prosperous path, toward unity and glorification." Thus, the value of controversial art in Plato's Republic is decidedly negative, with only the potential to stir up trouble.

However, the republic of the United States of America places a very different value on this type of art. Whereas Plato created his Republic as an alternative to democracy, ours grew to welcome democratic ideals such as the free exchange of ideas. We do not have absolute faith in our leaders as Plato did in his philosopher kings, so we place checks and balances on them, not the least of which is the capacity for political opposition. The United States, then, values art much more highly than did Plato, primarily for its role in our political discourse and cultural advancement. For instance, I'd like to share an image from Jacob Riis' How the Other Half Lives: Studies Among the Tenements of New York (no worries, Professors, I know this hasn't exactly been current for over 100 years, so I still have two images to go after this one. Just allow a history major this one indulgence.)


How the Other Half Lives was published in 1890 as an expose on the terrible living conditions of New York slums at that time. Until its release, many upper and middle class Americans were unaware of the plight of the urban poor. However, afterwards, the issue of tenant reform was given special focus in New York politics.

However, the issue clearly does nothing to promote the "glorification of the state." The title almost chastises the more affluent members of society for their obliviousness of those less fortunate. This is clearly controversial work, but we can see that it had a positive impact on society.

My point in all of this is that what serves to "empower the state and lead it on a prosperous path" in Plato's Republic is very different from what manages to do so in our modern republic. Plato pre-supposed the wisdom of his philosopher-kings, and thus believed that opposition would only confound their efficient process. The United States, however, has traditionally mistrusted central power, and thus valued controversy in politics. The prompt asked for us to "[i]dentify some current artwork that you (or others) suggest leads the state or nation forward," and I went on this tirade to point out that what I suggest (and what history suggests) moves this nation forward is very different from the "unity and glorification" that Plato valued. With such a vastly different context, Plato's feelings toward the political implications of modern art are irrelevant. Even though he might consider a piece of art to be too contentious to be valuable at all, we would value it in part because of its controversial implications.

Now I shall do what was actually asked of me.


Plato most certainly would not approve of the above image, taken by Colin Gregory Palmer. It depicts a homeless man sitting on a bench outside of what appears to be a government building, with all of his belongings in a little cart. The stars and stripes hang over his head, as if the artist is blaming the government for allowing such squalid poverty to exist among its citizens. Implicating that the government is responsible for such a blight on society would surely draw Plato's ire toward this image as it fosters dissent from the status quo, not unity. I, however, would argue that this image serves to reduce the populace's ignorance of poverty. To me, a step to reduce poverty would be a prime example of taking a "prosperous path."


Yes, this is the image I claim takes America in a negative direction, or, at the very least, keeps it in a negative place. While it certainly is an attempt to unite America in the wake of a tragedy, it ignores the fact that not all Americans are trusting in the Christian god, or even any god at all. While it is true that this image certainly unites all Christian Americans, it ignores the fact that Americans of other persuasions experienced the same tragedy and were affected in the same manner. As for Plato's opinion, I can't say for sure what he would say; it's possible that he would consider this art valuable because of the unity it implies. It's also possible that he would see that it does in fact possess divisive properties, though I'm not sure how sympathetic Plato would be to minority faiths.

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Theresa Chu

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The cover of TIME magazine’s annual Person of the Year issue is a work of art that Plato would have deemed acceptable, for it serves to “empower” the state. In 2003, American troops had been deployed to Iraq, and the United States was beginning to experience a severe division in views regarding the Iraq War; however, this magazine cover depicting three American soldiers served to bring many Americans together in support of the troops.
As Plato states in Book X, art has the ability to bring out emotions in the people experiencing the art. In this way, this magazine cover allows readers to feel pride in their country and troops as well as a sense of freedom and security. Because of this, the country is able to progress and to become more unified.
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This work of art (Picnic) by an Iraqi surrealist painter named Muayad Muhsin depicts an arrogant Donald Rumsfeld with his army boot-clad feet propped up on a destroyed artifact of Iraq’s past. In the background stands a giant statue of a lion with his head smashed open; furthermore, white papers are flying into the air symbolizing the loss of libraries and museums due to the bombing of Iraq by the United States. Plato would have disapproved of this painting not only because it is art, but also because it has the potential to divide a country and provoke conflict; moreover, this painting evokes emotions of hatred and sadness that Plato believed to be the weaknesses in humans.

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Jenn Shea

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In this post- September 11 poster, the New York City World Trade Center buildings are represented and shown billowing with smoke prior to collapsing. In the background is the American flag waving and the phrases “Never Forget” and “United We Stand” are a very bold aspect of this poster. This image, although it portrays a very disturbing and upsetting image, is seen by many to promote unity and forward movement in the United States. It calls for a more unified nation in the war against terror. In this sense, this poster could also be seen as propaganda in support of the war the United States is currently fighting. Nonetheless, whether one supports Bush’s war policies and actions after September 11, it is clear that this image strives to bring the country together in an era of mayhem, uncertainty, and threat. According to Plato, even though this is imitation and clearly not the actual World Trade Center, this image would be acceptable in the advancement of the state because it is trying to move America toward order after the tragedy of September 11, 2001. This can be seen in Book X of The Republic when Plato writes, “…let us assure our sweet friend and the sister arts of imitation that if she will only prove her title to exist in a well-ordered State we shall be delighted to receive her—we are very conscious of her charms; but we may not on that account betray the truth.”

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In this apparent anti-Bush piece of art, George Bush is shown on a U.S. stamp with “Patriot Act” written under him and a gun pointed at his head. Personally, I am not a huge fan of many of Bush’s policies, but I still find this to be backwards progress in the Unite

d States, as apparently many others also would because this image was banned in Wisconsin. This image shows animosity toward the president in reaction to the USA Patriot Act, but takes disagreement to a new level by displaying the gun pointed at President Bush’s head. Not only would Plato see this as a false representation of a stamp, he would also comment on the manipulation of the photo, as he comments in Book X of The Republic that, “Thus every sort of confusion is revealed within us; and this is that weakness of the human mind on which the art of conjuring and of deceiving by light and shadow and other ingenious devices imposes, having an effect upon us like magic.” Another idea that Plato touches upon is the ignorance of an artist in regards to reaching the truth of something when he says, “The poet is like a painter who, as we have already observed, will make a likeness of a cobbler though he understands nothing of cobbling; and his picture is good enough for those who know no more than he does, and judge only by colours and figures.” This piece of artwork then, according to Plato, would only be worthwhile to those who agree with the creator of this art and who do not fully understand the intentions of the Bush administration. To Plato, this would create disorder within the state in the obvious sense that it furthers the political divide in the United States and in a deeper

sense because it furthers the ignorance of the American people as they only look for what displeases them about Bush.

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Ruth Post 2

Ruth Ellen Day

This first image I chose is an ink drawing by Mary Hilger. It is a depiction of Mother Theresa in many of her works of love. This image would lead a nation forward because it is an example of how all humans should act toward others. People should act with compassion, not hatred, and should strive to make the lives of all people comfortable and livable. Viewing this artwork would call to mind all of the acts of love and charity that Mother Theresa performed. It would inspire citizens of a nation and of the world to live their lives as close to this example as possible. I believe that Plato and I would have been in agreement on this particular piece. In the Republic, Plato implies that art is useful only as examples of ideal beauty. This image may not display beauty in the physical sense but it does display beauty of the spiritual sense and Plato was a strong believer in the immortality of the soul, “… considering that the soul is immortal and able to endure every sort of good and every sort of evil.” (Book X). Also, though this image does not depict literal truth, it does represent the true nature of Mother Theresa’s life and the acts of love that she performed. This would not cause the viewer to “neglect justice and virtue” but to embrace them.

The artwork I chose that I believe does the opposite of my first image is called “Bearded Orientals: Making the Empire Cross” by Priscilla Bracks. This image, which was showcased in a prestigious religious art completion in Australia, depicts Osama Bin Laden in a Christ-like pose. I believe that this glorifies a mass murderer and promotes violence. Christians and most Americans should be offended by such artwork because it degrades Jesus Christ and glorifies a man who was responsible for an unforgettable tragedy in the United States. It is impossible for anyone who dislikes violence to see this image as beneficial. Jesus Christ is a symbol of love and peace while Osama Bin Laden is a symbol of hatred and violence. Depicting the two as one entity not only makes a mockery of Jesus but also of the virtues that he represents. This image, does not in anyway promote truth, so I am convinced that Plato would agree that this image would prove detrimental to any society. What Plato desired for his Republic was war from without and peace and cooperation within. Such an image would only cause misunderstanding and controversy within a state or nation. Its only purpose is to spread lies.

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There is in fact a style of artwork that, for the most part, I find unhelpful in promoting the general good of the public. This is not to say that every piece of art created in this style is destructive and unworthy of being deemed expressive and useful, but in general, I believe that graffiti, most notably that seen spray-painted on countless concrete surfaces in urban areas, does not promote any general state of being for us as a nation. Graffiti, as much as many people believe it to be a substantial form of artistic expression, is without a doubt a common form of vandalism, and is a direct violation of not only United States law, but blatantly goes against the moral code upheld in the minds of many citizens of any country that it is wrong to deface or misuse property that is not one's own. A fact that causes me to be even less sympathetic with those who take part in graffiti is that, in most cases, graffiti in no way glorifies or makes note of any sort of worthwhile moral thought, or deep thought of any kind for that matter. Certainly those who practice graffiti as an art would have a bit more of a defense against the argument that the spray-painting they involve themselves in is not morally worthwhile to a nation if it weren't for the fact that nearly all of these building-side paintings of theirs are simplifying a fancy looking version of the self-given nickname of the artist. If one is going to take part in defacing property not belonging to them self and deem it art, I at least ask that this art display something slightly more meaningful than their own name, be it fancy looking as it may.
I believe it to be quite clear from his writings in The Republic that Plato would in no way find graffiti to be a morally substantial art form. Plato made the point in these writings that art was not fit for a "well-ordered State" (The Republic, Book X) unless it was created with the purpose of either honoring a famous and noble man for his deeds in life, or glorifying the creator of humanity and the ideal realm which he, along with other philosophers of his time, believed all people should continually strive for in the lives they lead. Obviously, graffiti seldom servers either of these purposes, and in the only instance in which it seems to be utilized in some sort of a moral sense are those few instances in which it is used by a mistreated people as political protest. It is because of the fact that graffiti does not fulfill these ideals that Plato believed all art must consist of that I find it safe to assume he would have blatantly scoffed at those who believed the spray-painting of buildings, sidewalks, and monuments to be an art form which was worthy of existing in a "well-ordered State".

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Brynne PiotrowskiThe aftermath of the disastrous and horrific events of September 11, 2001 provided many images that demonstrate American unity and courage, among other qualities. Above is just one of the multitude of pictures taken during that day. This particular photograph captures five men rescuing a victim of the attacks. Two of the rescuers are obviously firemen, but the identities of the other three are not clear. What makes this image particularly powerful is how it demonstrates American resolve, perseverance, and unity. I believe Plato would be amenable to this photograph as a work that serves to unite the country. It depicts a common bond among five seemingly unrelated men—taking responsibility for their fellow countryman. Furthermore, the determination of these men in a very dark day in America’s history is in tune with Plato’s opinions on handling grief and emotion. Plato remarks in Book X of The Republic that, “grief stands in the way of that which at the moment is most required.” Later in the same work he says, “the feeling of sorrow which has gathered strength at the sight of the misfortunes of others is with difficulty repressed in our own [self].” The five rescuers captured in this photograph have managed to overcome what Plato terms, “a natural hunger and desire to relieve our sorrow by weeping and lamentation,” (Book X) and are carrying on to deal with the task at hand. Such a quality appears to be greatly admired by Plato, as judged from his writings in Book X of The Republic.
Quite a different message emerges from this photograph depicting protestors with a United States flag bearing an illustration of torture superimposed upon it. In addition to the silhouetted figure being displayed on the flag, the flag is being flown upside down. According to Public Law 829 passed by the 77th Congress (frequently referred to as “The Flag Code”) the flag is never to be flown upside down, “except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.” Regardless of how appropriate that definition might be to the protestors in the picture, the flag was likely flown upside-down in this instance as a sign of disrespect. I believe Plato would look with disdain upon both the dishonored flag itself and the image of the protestors with the flag. I draw this conclusion primarily upon Plato’s interest in building-up the nation and focusing on harmony rather than discord. However, I believe Plato would also hold a hostile view towards this image because it deals with appearances and the flag serves as an imitation, as interpreted by the protestors’ points-of-view. Since Plato speaks with hostility towards both imitation and appearances in Book X of The Republic, he would likely express a similar attitude toward this image.

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Erica Tibbetts
According to Plato, there is an idea of something, i.e. a bed and this idea is not particular or even physical. It exists beyond the realm (or above the realm) of the world we live in. This “idea” was created by a God of some sort and cannot be replicated or recreated by a human. This idea is the only truth, the only real version. Whenever a carpenter or other manufacturers creates a particular bed, this item is one step removed from the actual or real. When a painter paints a picture of this bed, the image is now two steps removed. This picture does not even have the reality of the physical bed, it captures but one visual aspect of the bed and thus contains none of its truth. Thus, it is an imitation.
The problem with imitations, in the form of paintings and poems, is that they create “passions” in the viewers/listeners. These passions would normally be subdued and deemed unworthy of public life. However the base nature of the imitative poetry and painting lets the evil nature of restrained passion show through. Plato argues that people are more likely to react to the problems of characters in poems or are more likely to voice sorrow or awe at the sight of a painting than they are to give voice to these emotions in their own private lives. He argues that these passions are “impatience” and thus are not honorable or noble sentiments. So, poetry and painting bring out ignoble qualities in people because they tap into the impatience, unadulterated passion and socially unacceptable emotions of the public.
Plato detests imitation, undue emotion and anything that incites the mass. So, Plato only likes “art” or elements of culture that increase knowledge and reality and don’t pretend to be something they are not.
In “Ion” Plato argues about knowledge, and how a person cannot know what is good (or comment on what is good) without knowing about what is bad to some extent too. He also points to the idea of “realms of understanding” and how every profession has a set of knowledge that accompanies it. When Homer writes about many different professions and describes many different acts he cannot be speaking with the depth of knowledge necessary to make him as wonderful as Ion claims. And Ion cannot act out these parts with proficiency without somehow cheating the system. Socrates also questions the idea of art vs. some sort of divine inspiration. He seems to be mocking Ion, and telling him that the only way he can claim to know how to play all the parts that Homer provides, and still be honest is to be caught in a divine reverence and be transmitting the passion and language that Homer wrote. So, again there is a return to the issue of emotion and something unnatural, some sort of unnatural transference of knowledge and understanding. Ion is imitating Homer, he is claiming knowledge he cannot have and is creating artificial, imitated entertainment.

3 images that incite the American public in such a way (to a certain extent) are: the statue of liberty, the “I want you” Uncle Sam Poster, and the American Flag. These icons represent a range of “realities” and ideas and elicit a variety of responses and reactions in the public.
The statue of liberty is more than just an image, it is an icon, a representation of many of the ideals that the United States, as a country, is based in. Although many American have never seen it in person, almost everyone knows what it looks like. This gives Lady Liberty a strange status. First of all, she is an imitation of an ideal, but not an ideal thing, object or person, an ideal quality. So, it is hard to say whether in the case of “liberty” this statue is an imitation or just an abstract, which isn’t actually an option discussed by Plato, but would probably be preferable to an imitation. In another sense, the Statue of Liberty is an imitation of a woman. When the statue was created, someone had to pose for it. And in our minds we have the idea of a woman, the platonic woman if you will. Any particular woman is removed from this ideal, and a depiction of a particular at a particular time is even farther removed, so this puts the statue within the realm of imitation. Furthermore it definitely provokes emotion and reaction from many people, not just Americans. It creates pride, happiness, anger, resentment, and any number of emotions from people who see it as a symbol of the good America can provide or the bad she can provide. In this sense, Plato would not approve. However, as I mentioned earlier, for some people the statue itself only exists in the platonic realm. I personally have never seen it, so in my mind I have an idea of it and what it stands for. In a way this idea is more perfect than the statue itself, but it definitely stems from it. I don’t know how this ideal based on an imitation can function, but it definitely deserves its own category.
The next image I will discuss is the poster of Uncle Sam saying “I want you”. This image almost certainly falls under the heading of “propaganda”, its purpose is to incite patriotism, pride, passion. These are exactly the things that Plato would have us stay away from. Too much pride and passion cause a splintering effect, distancing people from one another. Like the Statue of Liberty, Uncle Sam is the embodiment of an idea, and thus does not encompass the same sort of imitation as a painting or an epic poem. However, also like the statue, it does have a figure which in the end is imitation. This is an imitation of a man, a particular man, and it contains little of the truth that Plato would hope for. But again, Uncle Sam means more than an old man, or a cry to arms, or anything solely patriotic. He stands for something noble and (hopefully) good about the United States. And in this sense, maybe he transcends imitation, however, it is hard to tell.

The flag, the star spangled banner, is the last image I will touch upon. The flag is not an imitation, or at least the first one wasn’t, because it was original. Unless you argue that the idea or a flag, or the “ideal” exists before we can even attempt to make one. In this case, then even the first flag ever manufactured was an imitation and since then flags (especially the little tiny plastic ones, or bumper stickers, or on t-shirts, etc) have been moving further and further away from the truth and more towards kitschy kick-knacks. In this case the flag is used as a throwaway symbol of Americaness. We use it, like our language, our culture, our land, to set us apart from others. It is a representation of our independence, our difference, etc. And it is an imitation of certain things, stars, bars, colors. In a way nothing can ever be real when it takes a physical form because it creates the particular in itself and cannot get back to the platonic ideal from which it was born. So, even though the flag could be called an abstract symbol, it is still an imitation of certain artistic elements. And, although it is meant to stand for independence, democracy, etc, it still serves as a tool for division. Alas, Plato seems to condemn everything that stands for anything, and would probably have trouble accepting anything patriotic, especially produced by our power hungry, capitalistic nation.